1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,000 The following program deals with a controversial subject. 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,000 The theories expressed are not the only possible interpretation. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:11,000 The viewer is invited to make a judgment based on all available information. 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:17,000 Tonight on CITES, Reincarnation. Is there another life after death? 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,000 I was a crew member on the Titanic. 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,000 The latest hypnotherapy breakthroughs could make you a believer in past lives. 7 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,000 Then, if your travel plans bring you anywhere near this highway, think again. 8 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,000 At that particular day, there were 15 who died. 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,000 What deadly curse haunts this stretch of road? 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:41,000 And our ongoing hunt for proof of ghosts takes our team of investigators to two new paranormal hotspots. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,000 My god, it's going off the scale. 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 No, right as I was coming over here, it went off the scale. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,000 You just have to say there's something extraordinary going on here. 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,000 At that point, it started to appear. 15 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:57,000 They had large, dark eyes, small, like hands. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:02,000 I began sensing, knowing, and feeling. 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:06,000 I do believe in life after death. I mean, I've been there. 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000 We have not scratched the surface of what the mind can do. 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,000 It's a connection with the unknown. 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:27,000 During construction of a highway, the New Jersey Department of Transportation unearthed evidence of an ancient Indian settlement. 21 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:32,000 Native Americans warned that anyone involved in paving over this sacred site would be cursed, 22 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:36,000 a warning that turned out to be more than just an idle threat. 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:45,000 Many cultures still maintain a powerful belief that certain places on Earth are sacred and should not, must not, be tampered with. 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,000 Burial sites are among the most sacred of all places, 25 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:53,000 and there is almost a universal belief that the dead must be left to rest in peace. 26 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:58,000 If they're not, a curse may follow those who dare violate the sacred ground. 27 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Some Native American tribes follow these traditions to this day. 28 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,000 They warn of grave consequences for those who disturb their honored dead. 29 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Members of the Delaware Indian nation believe this stretch of Highway 55, 30 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,000 near Deptford Township in New Jersey, was built over an ancient Indian burial ground, 31 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:22,000 prompting what has become known as the Curse of Highway 55. 32 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:32,000 To us, our ancestors are sacred, and anything that is connected with our ancestors, 33 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,000 the whole area to us is sacred. 34 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,000 We do not defile it in any way, and we don't want anyone else to defile it. 35 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,000 Well, they just laughed at me. 36 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:51,000 So I raised my hands to the heavens, and I prayed to the Great Spirit, and I prayed to my ancestors. 37 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,000 Then all these things happened. 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:02,000 I mean, then the winds came up and blew vehicles off the road with their workers in them, 39 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,000 and I think that at that particular day there were 15 who died as a result of it. 40 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,000 It was not that I wanted the people to die, it was that I wanted the site to be left alone. 41 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,000 In the months following the Chief's Curse, 42 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:22,000 a 34-year-old crewman was run over and killed by an asphalt roaded truck. 43 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:26,000 A Department of Transportation inspector died on the job site of a brain aneurysm. 44 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:31,000 A sudden gust of wind blew yet another worker off a bridge, leaving him paralyzed. 45 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:37,000 Within three weeks, many more construction workers and their families seemed to fall victim to the curse. 46 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,000 The sheer number of tragedies seemed to be more than coincidence. 47 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Workers and their families are still frightened to speak out publicly. 48 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:50,000 The New Jersey Department of Transportation, however, denies that there was anything unusual 49 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 about the deaths and injuries that have occurred. 50 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Highway 55 was already well under construction when Gloucester County historian Robert Harper 51 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,000 first heard rumors about what was happening at the site. 52 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:09,000 And it seems that several of the bulldozer operators were in a depth for tavern, 53 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,000 and they were loose of mouth. 54 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:18,000 They were boasting about how they had disturbed these Indian graves. 55 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Denied access by the New Jersey Department of Transportation, Dr. Harper became obsessed with Highway 55. 56 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:30,000 Unable to stop construction through government channels, Dr. Harper and the Historical Society 57 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:35,000 brought their findings to Chief Wyandaga, the spiritual leader of the Eastern Delaware Nation, 58 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,000 and a direct descendant of the ancient people who lived on the site in question. 59 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:44,000 They came to me at the shaman and asked me what I could do about it. 60 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:49,000 So I went to them and I talked to them, and the state archaeologists said, 61 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:57,000 oh, there's nothing here except some pieces of pottery and items of that nature. 62 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:03,000 The Department of Transportation admits they were surprised to find what they believe is an Indian campsite. 63 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,000 They pulled thousands of artifacts out of the site, 64 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,000 but deny finding evidence of human remains. 65 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,000 Most of the time we know what's out there. 66 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:20,000 But in case once in a while there is something that we do miss, we do have a procedure, and it works. 67 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Construction was temporarily halted, and that site was also investigated. 68 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,000 This is one of the earliest artifacts we found. 69 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,000 It's either a knife blade or a spear point. 70 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:39,000 This dates from roughly about 6000 BC. 71 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:47,000 The few bone pieces we did find, and I'll be glad to show them to you, are not human. 72 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 They happen to be deer. 73 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:57,000 So there was absolutely no evidence of cemeteries or any other type of burial. 74 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:04,000 Chief Wyandaga doesn't agree. He believes the site is sacred, and anyone who disturbs it is cursed. 75 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:13,000 I said if there was a village, then within a hundred yards in one direction or the other, 76 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:18,000 there would have to be a burial site, because after all they didn't have horses, 77 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:24,000 they didn't have any other means of transportation, so they had to carry the body and bury it. 78 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:30,000 The soils are fairly acidic, and organic remains do not last very long. 79 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:34,000 Two, three hundred years tops before they completely disintegrate into the soil. 80 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,000 So I said well even if there's no bones left, there still was a burial site. 81 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:45,000 So how do you know? I said how do I know? I said these are my ancestors. That's how I know. 82 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,000 The bones are no longer there. The descendants are no longer there. 83 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,000 We do not know if somebody was buried there or not. 84 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,000 I said how would you like it if I sent some of my warriors with bulldozers and bulldozed your grandparents up? 85 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:06,000 What's done has been done. What's been done can't be undone. 86 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Highway 55 has been completed. Whether or not it was built on sacred Delaware Indian burial ground may never be known, 87 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:19,000 but there are still disturbing questions. Is there a connection between Wyandaga's curse 88 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,000 and the documented tragedies that occurred along Highway 55? 89 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,000 And will the curse continue to claim victims here? 90 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:35,000 As far as I was concerned, it wasn't a curse. It was a prayer. I prayed to the Great Spirit and he answered me. 91 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,000 Coming up next, reincarnation. Is there another life after death? 92 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000 I was a crew member on the Titanic. 93 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,000 The latest hypnotherapy breakthroughs could make you a believer in past lives. 94 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:56,000 And our ongoing ghost investigation takes us to two new paranormal hotspots. 95 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 You just have to say there's something extraordinary going on here. 96 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:07,000 What happens to us after we die? Many religions believe that we're reincarnated, 97 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,000 that the soul is transferred to another body and we live again. 98 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:16,000 And now some modern researchers believe proof of reincarnation exists. 99 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Through hypnosis, many people claim they can recall past lives. 100 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:25,000 I absolutely believe in reincarnation. I was a Japanese man. 101 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:30,000 I've been a silversmith. I've had many past lives as warriors. 102 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:36,000 I worked a printing press and this was in about the 1780s. 103 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:44,000 Over 3,000 people claim to have recalled past lives working with author and reincarnation teacher Betty Binder. 104 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:51,000 Reincarnation is the process by which the soul, which is our spiritual essence, 105 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:57,000 at the end of a lifetime when the body dies, leaves that lifetime, leaves that body, 106 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,000 gets into a new body and starts a new lifetime. 107 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Does reincarnation exist? Under hypnosis, Betty's clients try to reach back in time to a time before they were born. 108 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:14,000 They are searching their unconscious for evidence of past lives. 109 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,000 The technique is called regression therapy. 110 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:22,000 Once hypnotized, subjects seem to relive previous incarnations, recalling historical events, 111 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,000 people and foreign places they have no knowledge of. 112 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:31,000 Subjects say their previous lives come to them like snapshots from the past. 113 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:41,000 The philosophy behind reincarnation is that the soul has chosen to get into a physical body in order to learn something. 114 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:48,000 We are choosing to incarnate in each lifetime because we have certain lessons to learn in each lifetime. 115 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:55,000 Regression therapists work with people who want to go back in time and explore the possibility that they've lived before. 116 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,000 The first step involves total relaxation of mind and body. 117 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Now take a stream of white light down through the top of your head. 118 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Let it run through your body head to toe as if you were sitting under a waterfall. 119 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:14,000 Some people try past life therapy out of curiosity. 120 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Others hope to learn if problems in this life are linked to traumatic events in a past life. 121 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:26,000 One of Betty's clients sought help for his clinical depression after traditional therapy failed. 122 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Betty and I went back to a past life when I was happy flying, which happened to be a World War II fighter pilot. 123 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:43,000 So for instance something that gave me pain or gives me pain during this lifetime is cause for exploration of past lives. 124 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:52,000 I'm in the cockpit October 3rd 1940 down below us. 125 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Maybe three or four thousand feet or some looks like German fighter planes. 126 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:09,000 I begin firing my gun and just as I do so I feel some sensation like some thudding into my plane. 127 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:16,000 I am hit but I don't feel pain. I'm just incapacitated in my plane. 128 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:23,000 I can't, I've lost control of my plane. I'm at full throttle going straight into the ocean. 129 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,000 I'm floating. 130 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:33,000 In 1988 my entire world fell apart and I went through some traditional therapy. 131 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:40,000 It was at that point that I was really grasping at straws to figure out what I was going to do. 132 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:46,000 I guess you would call it a clinical depression and it was at the point that I started working with Betty 133 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,000 incorporating this therapy that things really began to change. 134 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,000 Darrell Rooney had a profound fear of drowning. 135 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Working with Betty Binder he recalled past events that could explain his debilitating phobia. 136 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Holding on to a railing. 137 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,000 It's cold and wet. 138 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,000 I'm angry and frightened because I'm stuck here. 139 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:20,000 I'm looking out into the ocean and I know that all the lifeboats are out there. 140 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,000 I was a crew member on the Titanic down in the engine room. 141 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 The ship is in trouble. 142 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:32,000 I don't want to die. I don't want to go down with this ship. 143 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:38,000 I can remember screaming all around me and then all of a sudden things turning upside down. 144 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:46,000 The most disturbing thing is timber creaking and stretching and cracking ways that it's not supposed to. 145 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:52,000 Up until then I felt a sense of gravity and now it's all upside down and ropes. 146 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,000 I'm caught up in ropes. 147 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,000 I'm being dragged under. 148 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:05,000 I can feel a rope wrapped around here and I can see portholes of the ship. 149 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,000 I'm being pulled under by these ropes. I'm being pulled down with the ship. 150 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:12,000 This is a really frightening thing. 151 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:20,000 I watched myself tied up in the ropes go down, down, down and I can see the stern of the ship 152 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:24,000 and it disappears into this black fog water. 153 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:31,000 The Titanic sank in 1912, 40 years before Darrell was supposedly reborn in his present life. 154 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:37,000 During regression he was able to reveal the name of the sailor his soul had previously inhabited. 155 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,000 I just opened my mouth and this word came out. 156 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Brooks. Brooks, my name was Brooks. 157 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:51,000 We later got the crew list and found the names on the crew list which was astounding to me. 158 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:56,000 That moment of seeing them on there just made me think this is real. 159 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:05,000 Darrell has drowned in three past lives that I'm aware of and they were all in the middle of an ocean and they were all one after another. 160 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:13,000 His death scene is a very profound one because he had not expected to die. 161 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:18,000 It was not his intention as a soul. He was furious. 162 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:23,000 There was all of this terror and all of this emotion during the regression talking about this. 163 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:36,000 And the minute that I separated all the emotion went away and I was at peace and I was calm and I felt tranquil. 164 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:42,000 When you go to most religions in the world you'll find that reincarnation is something that most people have been brought up with. 165 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,000 The Buddhists, the Hindus, a lot of others. 166 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Early Christian fathers and the early Hebrews believed in reincarnation. 167 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,000 The ancient belief in reincarnation is challenged by modern science. 168 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:05,000 But while regression therapy may not be proof of past lives, it has been successful in helping some people deal with problems in this life. 169 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:12,000 Coming up next, our ongoing ghost research takes our team of investigators to two new paranormal hotspots. 170 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,000 My God, it's going off the scale. 171 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,000 No, right as I was coming over here it went off the scale. 172 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,000 It's a haunting phenomena. 173 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:28,000 Tonight we follow director Lloyd Auerbach as he investigates two reported hauntings and attempts to gather evidence that ghosts actually exist. 174 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Ghostbusters was one of the first films that really hit the entire public consciousness with a comedy that was clearly not real. 175 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,000 We know that stuff's not real guys. 176 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,000 We know that there's not a marshmallow man walking down Central Park West. 177 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 What do you really do? 178 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:48,000 Until his death, Tony was everyone's favorite bartender at the Banta Inn near San Francisco. 179 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,000 Locals believe his spirit haunts the restaurant still. 180 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,000 But Tony's not a frightening malicious ghost. 181 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,000 His trademark is mischief. 182 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,000 There was a fella staring at me there. 183 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:03,000 I went through the door of the kitchen and he was gone. 184 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:09,000 I saw a figure in the mirror and I turned to look at the floor where that person should have been standing and there was nothing there. 185 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,000 All of a sudden I felt this, like somebody took your finger up the back of my leg all the way up and I turned around and there was nobody there. 186 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:20,000 After that, the guy's beer right next to me tipped over, spun around three times. 187 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,000 All of a sudden the CDs started flipping by themselves. 188 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,000 He just flipped a couple times. 189 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 He loved Patsy Klein and it would come on all the time. 190 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Ghosts tend to react to situations as if they were people living and breathing people. 191 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 One of the reasons is they don't know they're dead. 192 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,000 They're in total denial. 193 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:40,000 We have a lot of physical things happening that seem to relate to Tony's behavior when he was alive. 194 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:50,000 One of the things that Tony was apparently fond of doing was playing with the money in the cash register and stacking the change so that it was a nice orderly sex in the changement. 195 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:57,000 And here when you just toss money in a changement, obviously close the door up and open it back and forth, it's not going to stack automatically. 196 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,000 And yet they've been opening the drawer for a few years and the change seems to be stacking by itself. 197 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:07,000 You can throw it in and turn around the next second and it's all stacked in there all nice and neat. 198 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:12,000 In the search for proof, investigators test Tony's favorite table with a magnetometer. 199 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,000 They're looking for abnormal levels of electromagnetism. 200 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000 Oh my God, it's going off the scale. 201 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,000 No, right as I was coming over here, it went off the scale, went up to about 100. 202 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:27,000 Unlike other hauntings Lloyd Auerbach has investigated, the people here aren't frightened. 203 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:37,000 One of the bartenders told me that she had pretty much gotten a couple of guys who were very drunk out of here and come back in and she didn't lock the door behind her, which she thought as an afterthought. 204 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 It turned out to have locked itself. 205 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,000 And according to eyewitnesses, Tony is not the only ghost that haunts the band again. 206 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000 From what I have been told, Margaret was an old regular in the 50s and 60s. 207 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:56,000 She passed away. She died of a heart attack in the building and that she absolutely loved the band. 208 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,000 She lived down here and that she didn't want to leave either. 209 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Margaret plays. She likes levitation. She likes throwing objects. 210 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Well, then came in order to hamburger and bartenders asked him something about how he wanted it done. 211 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:22,000 And that moment from across the room where there was no one sitting, an astray picked up off the table, flew across the room, passed the guy's head and dropped down in front of the bartender. 212 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 Even Lloyd has experienced what seems to be Margaret's temper. 213 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:32,000 The chandelier started moving by itself and there was no way for that to have happened if the other one wasn't always already moving, unless somebody rigged it. 214 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 And that's the first thing we did check. 215 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:44,000 In another haunting case at the Moss Beach Distillery in California, a deluge of eye witness reports warranted more sophisticated diagnostic tools. 216 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Now what we're installing are three different types of motion detectors, an infrared detector, a microwave detector and an ultrasonic detector. 217 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:00,000 In addition to the detection devices, our back has assembled a team of psychics who will attempt to make contact with the spirits here. 218 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:08,000 You may have a lot of person witnesses, but no camera witnesses to objectify the actual phenomena that's going on. 219 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:19,000 Photographic evidence doesn't exist and there are no good photographs because we're dealing with a purely mental phenomenon where the ghost is somehow transmitting an image into your brain and bypassing the eyes altogether. 220 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,000 Apparently it was built as a residence to begin with. 221 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:31,000 There was a garage downstairs and then it became a booming restaurant and a bordello, we think. 222 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:40,000 There was a piano player here and every evening a beautiful woman wearing blue would come to listen to him play and apparently they were having an affair. 223 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,000 The only problem was that she was married and her husband was very jealous. 224 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:58,000 And one night they were all here at the same time and a fight broke out and they ended up on the beach and a stabbing took place and apparently the blue lady, the lady in blue, was killed and then she came back here to haunt the place. 225 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:09,000 The blue lady is quite comfortable with us and we're comfortable with her. We'll protect her I think as much as we can. 226 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:21,000 She's supposed to have a lot of pranks. I guess one that I can remember is the funniest is at a waitress in the kitchen towards the end of the evening got smacked in the rear end with a spatula and there was nobody in the kitchen. 227 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:34,000 We recently installed a heating and air conditioning system and I spent the better part of one day programming these thermostats so that they would go on precisely the time pre-designated and so forth. 228 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:46,000 The very next day I came into the restaurant and every single setting and the thermostat had been changed and it would take at least 30 minutes for somebody to do that if you knew how to do it and if you knew how to unlock it. 229 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Coffee machines will turn on all by themselves and start dumping coffee out. At one point or another I think everyone on our wait staff has heard someone calling their name and I think it's just Miss Chiff. 230 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:03,000 She probably gets bored and likes to play a couple of pranks, let us know that she's around. 231 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:14,000 Despite their battery of detection devices and psychic input, the Blue Lady of Moss Beach did not appear during their investigation but Lloyd Auerbach is encouraged by the data that has been collected. 232 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:26,000 There is definitely something anomalistic or psychic or whatever you want to call it going on in this place. We can go in every few months let's say and we can ask if anything new has happened and start really getting a fuller picture. 233 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,000 Is the Lady in Blue imaginary or could her failure to materialize be just one of her pranks? 234 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:42,000 I personally believe this is happening because I take a lighthearted approach and since most people have a sense of humor, I think most ghosts do too. 235 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:49,000 Thanks for joining us. For Scythians, I'm Tim White. Good night. 236 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:58,000 Is Princess Di the victim of an uncaring and unfaithful husband? Are her alleged suicide attempts really a desperate cry for help? 237 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:07,000 Next Friday, Fox takes you behind the closed gates of Buckingham Palace to uncover the truth behind the shocking rumors about Princess Diana. 238 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Di, prisoner in the palace, a Fox special next Friday after America's most wanted. 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